Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:07] Speaker B: Hello there and welcome back to another episode of Just say Something's weekly podcast. Before we get started, I want to make sure that you can find us on any of your podcast platforms. Make sure that you, like, share, comment, comment, subscribe, all that good stuff to help us spread our message here at Just say Something.
And so today we have a special guest with us. Of course, all of our guests are special. And he's also. He's here for two reasons. One, he is a new board member for Just say Something. So congratulations and welcome.
[00:00:51] Speaker A: Thank you, sir.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: And two, he has his own organization or company business called Recovery 413.
And so Nick and I have known each other for several years now, and I'll leave it at that.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: Seven years.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: Seven years. Wow.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: All right, so, Nick, I'm not going to pronounce your last name. I'm going to let you do that because I always say Nishay and that's not correct. So, Nick, can you introduce yourself to our listeners?
[00:01:28] Speaker A: I actually like Shay.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: You do?
[00:01:31] Speaker A: It's pronounced Nasha, but I actually like that, but it's pronounced Nasha.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: You can call me Nishay.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: Okay.
How about I just call you Nick? Okay, so tell us a little bit.
It's not part of our questions, but tell us a little bit of what, where your journey started in recovery and what brought you to Greenville, South Carolina.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: Okay. I lived in Atlanta twice, but I lived there from 03 to 17.
I got sober myself in 09, went to treatment, treatment center in Atlanta, did that, and then went and did a sober living after that. I'll try to make this short. We did a sober living for six months. Very structured. The two gentleman that started that, it was called Safety Net Recovery started in Atlanta in 06 or 7.
It was something else. And then it formed into safety net 09. But one was a Marine and one played NFL football. And they formed, they went to the same treatment center and then they got out and they started the sober living and I went with them and I did six months with them and. And from there went into back into normal, whatever that is. Yes, normal life. And I was still working at the time. I was in the food industry and I started volunteering with them. Now this was. They had a. At that time, there was 30, 40 men there. It was, it was men only at that time for the whole time, but it was men only. And then I started volunteering with them and then I started working part time with them.
They asked me to work part time. So I was doing both Jobs. And then in late 10, somewhere in there I became full time with them. Never thought I would do that.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: Didn't see yourself there, did you?
[00:03:54] Speaker A: Did not see myself there, but did that and then eventually became a hundred. About 100 men in that facility.
It's not common. It was very structured.
But I started. So we did that and I did that to.
Did that all through 17 and then moved here in 18. That time they.
What they did though is they certified all the employees there. Meaning.
So through gaca, which is the Georgia association of Addiction Professionals, they sent everybody through that pro. It took about a year and a half to get certified with that. That was a lot CAC one it was. It was very helpful. So that was 13, 2013. And then in 17 moved here in early 18 there was a safety net. There's one in Charlotte and one here. Came here to be the program director and that's how I ended up here.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: Okay. All right. So since then I know we've been to Columbia several times together.
Different committees meeting with different ones.
Now you are working for yourself under the name that. The name that you gave your organization or business was Recovery 413.
Tell us about Recovery 413.
[00:05:29] Speaker A: So Recovery 413, the safety net here dissolved.
Not there was a particular reason with where we were located. I won't get into that. It doesn't matter. But it ended up dissolving and I knew it was going to dissolve, which was fine.
So I did it. I went into another endeavor and that didn't work out. There was a couple things I was doing and in 2022, late 2022, this came to be just because I took the endeavors didn't really work. I was doing some part time work with the company and that went on for a while. But then I thought about it, prayed about it and came in this. This came. That's how this, this formed. Recovery 413.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: So what is recovery 413?
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Recovery 413 is. It's basically.
So it's basically myself.
My wife helps out with some administrative work, but it is substance abuse counseling with slash coaching and then I do some life coaching as well. But I'm my office. So is that what you're asking me?
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Well, the services that you provide for the.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: What I provide. Okay. So substance abuse counseling, life coaching, family counseling. Because family counseling goes with the end sometimes with the individual or you may do family only, but a lot of times it. The families are. And you know this is. It's huge right with addiction and you know, and so forth. So I do groups. I don't do a lot of groups. Groups meaning two or more in a. Maybe in a room like out here in one of your rooms where the family works out. There's not a lot of that. I can do it in treatment centers, groups, but it's more individual and family right now. And.
Excuse me.
And then I do some.
I do. I work with. Treat some treatment centers and I try to work with treatment centers and just generally anybody in the industry, if they need my phones on.
[00:08:30] Speaker B: Do you work with adolescents or do you work. What's the age range?
[00:08:36] Speaker A: Good question.
Teens, high school and older.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:08:42] Speaker A: Male and female. If it's high school.
If it's high school and teens.
Substance, you know, as you all know with. Just say something.
I like to work with families. When there's teens, I like to work with both.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: And then if it's just a life coaching.
Life coaching, I like to work with the males on that. If it's high school, if it's the females. If it's. If it's substance abuse with females, I like to work with them. But if it's just life coaching, I have other people I can refer to with the females.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Unless there's substance abuse in there, but mainly substance abuse is the go to.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: Okay. All right. And I know we've referred a few to you just to help a family start that process for a loved one in their family that is struggling.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: So you've been a great support for us to be able to do that. So being here in the upstate, in the Greenville area, what challenges do you see that keep people from reaching out for help?
[00:10:08] Speaker A: I don't know if it's. I don't know if I would just say the upstate.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: People in general.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: I think, in general, I think this area personally, now, I don't know this to be 100%, but there's, there's a lot of good recovery here.
Like, there's, you know, like, you guys, you know, just say something.
Working with adolescents and teens and then you got some. But generally, I mean, you have favor over there in places like that. But. And then treatment centers, but it's very minimal. Like, there's not a lot of sober livings. There's some. And then, you know, for, like there's very few female sober livings. And so it's, you know, and I, I don't know everybody around here, but it's. I think it could be more just in the area. More. More to offer, but I think it's. It could be like that anywhere.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: Okay. All right.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Does that make sense?
[00:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. It does. I know for a lot of families, it's, you know, there's that stigma related to substance abuse, especially as if they think about their teens or, oh, it's just a phase they're going through. They'll grow out of it.
That may have been true back in the 60s and 70s, but it's. There's so much out there that kids are having to deal with that that's not the case these days, especially as you look at the vapes and what that's doing to our kids and the mental health of our kids in social media. I mean, it's. There's just so much that is being bombarded toward and geared toward our young people that I think a lot of it, parents don't realize what effect all of that collectively has on their kids. What's a question that you make it from a parent that they want to talk to you about their child that's in high school, then they're like, oh, my God, I found pot in my child's dresser. What would your advice be to that parent?
[00:12:36] Speaker A: Well, I like to talk more in depth about what's really going on.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: Like, I do, like, all con. Like, if somebody wants to and they're interested in knowing more about Recovery 413, I do consult. I have to really know what's going on.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: And so what's the question you may ask?
[00:13:03] Speaker A: I like to know, let's say, if it's like a, I don't know, senior in high school, you talk about a boy that's using pot and she found some pot.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Right.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: I. I want to. I kind of go more in the past and find out more about, you know, when did it start? Did you ever. There's so many questions. It's not just one. I. I can spend 30 minutes to an hour just doing that.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Okay. All right.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's many. Because if you wanted to, really, if you want to know about someone like that, a. A kid like that, a young man like that, start talking to the parents, right?
Talk. Talk to the. Look in the fan, look at the family first. In any.
Or if you're talking to a spouse, an older person, talk to the spouse, and you're going to get both, and you're going to get a lot. Or if they go to treatment, you know, there's a. There's a psychosocial or written up. You know, they write up the clinical piece that's going to tell you a lot, because there's questions that they do prior to someone going into treatment and when they come out.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Right.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: You're not going to get every little detail, but any information you can get, but just go to the family. So there would be a lot of questions.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: So what is the likelihood that if a parent's like, oh, my God, I found pot.
I didn't know my child did that.
Reality is, their child's been doing that for what, two years or more? Maybe he did.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: I. I don't know the answer to that. But they didn't just start. Probably most like 99. They didn't just start just all of a sudden. All of a sudden. I mean, 99. Yes. But I, Yeah, probably started prior.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: Okay. All right. So as you look at, I guess it depends on what outcome the family's looking, but between counseling or life coaching, how do you determine which direction you go with that individual?
[00:15:25] Speaker A: It depends on they're using, what they've been using, how long they've been using, where they're at in their using and they're currently using.
Life coaching will come after.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:15:45] Speaker A: If they're current. I'll give you just a quick example. Sure. There's an older guy that I know, late 30s.
This is an older guy, but just an example. So he's got. I've known him for a while and he's got two and a half, three years coming up on. Three years.
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Awesome.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: And I was a part of that. And then, then there was a time where I didn't talk for a while and he, and then he wanted life coaching.
So he's got, he's doing well with his recovery, so I don't have to really. I, you know, we, we talk about it a little bit, but it's more now on the life coaching piece.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: Which is, you know, not. I'm not an expert on every thing, but that he needs just basic life coaching. Financial. I'm not a financial guru or anything, but I know basics and a little bit about, you know, financial or health or something like that.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: So his is more life coaching. If it's a young person, if it's substances involved, we deal with that first.
And then you can add it in. If he just started trying beer, just started drinking or just started the one at one of the, you know, not so common, but they just. Then we can get into that first and then go into like, coaching. And that could be career. Career coaching and.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: Okay. Do you get a lot of requests that involves vaping?
[00:17:26] Speaker A: I don't get a lot of that.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: What's the big thing that when, when you get that call, chances are it's going to be about what.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: So with the, with the young, with the high school, I get some most so. And I really want to work with more high school because as you know, there's not enough counselors.
There's really not. And it's not their fault. There's just not enough in the schools.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: Right.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: And when you and I were growing up, there wasn't as many.
There wasn't as many, you know, directions. There wasn't. There wasn't as many drugs. There wasn't. As you know, we had no social media.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: We didn't have any of that.
So we were just dealing with a couple things. Not that it wasn't. That there wasn't problems, but there's everything out there now.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: So I went off, I went off on a rabbit trail there.
We're talking about high school and what, what I'm working with them on. I'm sorry.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So what's the number one when they call you?
[00:18:41] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, yeah. What's. What's, what's what I'm doing? Usually it's a, usually I, I work with some teens I've worked with some I don't work with enough. I want to work with more. But I would say with the, the, the 18 and older, it's going to be, you know, alcohol or, or drugs. I see a lot of.
Obviously opioids is crazy, right? I've seen a lot of crack cocaine lately.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: A lot of crack. All of it really. But so opioids, cocaine, crack cocaine.
And then alcohol is always. It's always up there, always there. And alcohol.
People don't realize how, how prevalent al alcohol is because it's, it's everywhere.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: Well, and we recently did a viewing of the documentary Screenagers under the Influence. And so part of that was an example they used was Halloween is now turned into an adult holiday with parties and drinking as opposed to what it's really for. For kids that. And so there was a couple of families on there that decided they were going to have a party. But they let everybody know up front we're not going to have any alcohol in the house because we want to be that example for our kids that they don't have to have alcohol to have fun.
And so everybody came. The gentleman is like, we all had a great time as if we were. Had been drinking. And so it showed all of us the impact that alcohol has on us, but also the opportunities that we need to start having without alcohol and set that example for our kids. I thought that was a really great message as part of that.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: That is an excellent point you just brought up because they're.
You're absolutely correct. That's a very good point because the parents are constantly.
There's always drinking.
There's always a party where there's drink. There's. There's. I mean, you see it all the time, right? You also see. And I'll just go in a little further with that. That I see is that these young people, teens and, you know, younger, 18, 19, 20, college, you know, there's, you know, the family's working. There's never any family time.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:46] Speaker A: You know, just give them what they need. The, you know, the games and. Or whatever. They're doing stuff. Just give them the stuff they need. And, you know, they have all these things, but there's no family. Family time.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: You know, and they just. They want. They want. They want attention. It's, you know, they get all these things. So that's a really good point. And then there's always these, like you said, these. Every gathering, there's drinking.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: And then our kids are so exposed now on media, social media, in different avenues of. I mean, think of your TV shows.
Tough guys, he's got a beer or a shot in front of him. And so it's always here, you've had a bad day here, you want to celebrate here, you want to relax.
It's all about. We're being marketed that we have to have alcohol to function always. And. No, we don't.
We don't. That's what our community and that's what the.
The shows in social media are all messaging to our kids.
And we as the adults in our community need to be able to show that's not reality. That's not how we as a community want. Want to address this.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: I'll get off my soapbox.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: No, that's. That's a very good point.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: So how did recovery 413.
What was that aha moment or what precipitated?
You know, I'm going to start doing this, and the name of it's going to be this.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: Well, you know, it came to be.
You know, my wife and I talked long and long and hard about it.
So that. That was part of it. I know some. You know, where the office I use, it's Five Forks Counseling Group, by the way.
I use that office. And there's somebody in there that is a. Is a very good friend and talk to him about it.
And he's he's rock solid and we've known each other for a while, but so he had a big piece to do with it and then the name came up.
It's a, it's a, it's a scripture. It's a verse.
[00:24:44] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:45] Speaker A: Philippians 4:13.
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
It just came to my head. I think it was a God moment and just, that's really how that came to be. I didn't really think long and hard about it.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: I really didn't. It just came.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: And, and sometimes you can think about things too hard and too long and so when something grabs you.
[00:25:12] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: Grab it back and go with it.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: I just, I just went with it.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's great. So tell us, share with the listening to audience one of your success stories.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: That's a good question. There's, there's, there's, there's several.
Well, there's a, there's a guy I'm working with now. I'll, I'll talk. Of course. I'm not going to say his name.
He's, he's coming up on three years.
He was.
And the reason why I'm picking him because we were talking about crack cocaine.
Now he's 40ish.
Many treatments, you know, just in and out, in and out. But crack was his doc.
You don't just do crack, by the way. If anybody, if anybody has questions. You don't just do that, kind of just do that recreationally. Put it down and you know, maybe do it again next week. You know, that's not how crack works.
[00:26:29] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:26:30] Speaker A: You're wanting to do it all day every day.
[00:26:34] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:26:35] Speaker A: All day every day. It will take you down quick.
[00:26:39] Speaker B: So do as part of this. Did he start with crack cocaine or did he start with something else and move up?
[00:26:47] Speaker A: He moved up.
You usually move up, Right. You graduate to crack cocaine most of the. Generally, yes, usually. You know, but that wasn't it. I mean there was, you know, weed, there was some drinking, but that was his.
So. Yeah. Oh yeah.
I don't remember every little detail, but I, you know, he's, he was snorting cocaine.
That's not good. It's, it's the same product. It's just when you, the crack is a lot more potent and you're going to go down quick.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Right?
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Quicker with crack. But. So he was, you know, 40ish. Been doing it for a very long time. Several treatments, just relationships were the whole. Know that. I mean people watching this will know. But so he, he Came in actually to sober living.
And, and I think he, I think he really wanted it. A lot of people, you know, they, they really want it, but they don't know how. And this, the drug's so powerful, I could go into a deep dive on this. But.
And then he, he was doing fine for a while. He was working and. And then he relapsed.
And then. So in the sober living, we didn't just discharge people. Like, it wasn't like, all right, you've.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Been here for three months. Okay, you're out.
[00:28:31] Speaker A: You know, you did. So it depends, like if it was. If someone drank a few beers, there's consequence. That doesn't mean they need to go back into treatment.
[00:28:40] Speaker B: Right?
[00:28:41] Speaker A: Okay.
It depends what they're using, how, you know. And we draw. We used to drug screen, but.
So it was crack.
And I knew once you get that, that crack going, it's very hard to stop. I mean, very.
I already knew that. So we did some. I can't remember the. We had some consequences, but he was very. He wanted help and he did everything that we had asked him to do. So we worked with him. And then he did it again probably about two weeks later.
Excuse me.
Which might have been maybe prior to that too. He probably got away with the drugs, pain or something, but, but he, he got, he, he did it again. And then. So I had to get him off the property because there's other people in the. We had an apartment model, right. So. And his mom was, his dad had passed. His mom was, had been through this for years. She was one of the most supportive parents now, you know, he was 40ish, but she, and he, he didn't have any siblings, so she was so supportive. I said, look, he wasn't usually allowed to go back to stay with her. I said, let him come back and then let him get clean. And then he'd come back and then he's got all this to do and he was all for it. So we did that, came back, did it again.
I said, okay, you're not going to be able to quit because he did it again. And it was all con every day now. That's how it works. So he didn't want to go back to treatment. I said, well, we'll do this.
And his mom was all for it. I said, let him come back and stay. If he can stay clean, then we'll go from there. I knew he wasn't going to be able to.
[00:30:35] Speaker B: Right.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: I just knew he wasn't. She said, fine. And, but the deal was if you don't stay clean, you have to do this program.
And he agreed because she was going to cut him off, right. From everything. And even though he was 40ish.
So of course he relapsed and he went to this program over in East Georgia somewhere or in South Sea. Yeah, in Georgia. And it was a program not just 30 days. So it was 30 days and then they had an aftercare of six to 12 months. His agreement was at at least six, but we'll look at it when that comes. So he agreed to it. He ended up going, he did the 30 days. He didn't really want to do the aftercare, which is kind of normal because a lot of guys or gals that go into treatment and they do the 30 days, they've been through it a few times. They, they get through the 30 days and they're out. You know, he was a professional, right. He knew what, he knew what he was doing. So he. She's like, no, you're not getting any help from me or anything. She's. She was solid. And that was a big piece.
A big piece. And I was still helping through that and all that. So he did. Ended up doing, I think it was 10 or 11 months.
It was, it was like a sober living that they had that had levels like you would level up. You know, you, like at first you have no car, you're riding a bike to meetings. I mean, it was.
[00:32:25] Speaker B: Right.
[00:32:25] Speaker A: It was great. And then they, and then hit. That particular program was an NAA program they had for that particular program. So he did that or, you know, did the step work with that. And by the way, there's not only one way to get sober, everybody, but that's the one he used.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Right.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: And he did that model, but he did it for 10 to 12 months. And so now his, he lives over there. He's got a great job now. This is. He's got two and a half, three years coming up.
[00:32:56] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: Off crack cocaine.
And he is about as solid as can be. I mean, we talk a little bit about recovery. He. So we talk weekly. It's that he wants to. Because I'm, it's. I'm, I'm like, you know, after about four months, five months, I said, you want to go down every other week? You know, we can. You don't have to do. Now you're, you're part of it. I'm going to keep it going. So he has a full recovery program, has a great job and we talk weekly.
And he just started a relationship, healthy relationship.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: Makes a difference.
[00:33:35] Speaker A: So, I mean, he is rock solid. I mean it's.
And the way he talks and talks about. So it's just, it's amazing. So that's great. That is a, that's one that like he's helping other people. He volunteers at a treatment center.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: He's a previous you.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: He is a previous man because you.
[00:33:59] Speaker B: Started volunteering and then got employed and now you own your own company.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: He is very similar. Yes.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: But through that story, you reminded me of something that a lot of people don't realize.
The average person that goes into treatment is not just one time average.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: Depending.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: Yeah, probably two, three, sometimes four, five. It's not just, okay, you're going to recovery. Oh, I'm out, I'm good.
Doesn't happen that way.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: It usually doesn't. If you get over five and you get into the double digits, they're not processing something. Generally speaking, some trauma. We all have trauma, right. At different levels, but we all have it. There's some deep trauma and a lot of things that they haven't processed. That's, I mean, you know, I ask hard questions when I'm, you know, at some point.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: But I'm not getting somebody that's needing treatment. Like when I talk to somebody and they need a higher level of care, I refer them out.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: Then they can come back because I can't, I can't help them.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: But you know, the resources of where and what can help them. Yeah.
[00:35:25] Speaker A: And my phone, phone's always on for trying to help, regardless.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: Oh, I know, I know.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: I've gotten calls from you guys at 8, 9, 10 o'clock at night, which is fine if it's, if it's needed and it's, and it's an emergency.
You know, I had a lot of help.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: You know, so I had people help me.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: And addiction or issues don't just happen Monday through Friday, 9 to 5, you know.
[00:35:56] Speaker A: No, that's where.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: Oh, well, there's nobody available. It's after five or it's after six. That's not true.
If nothing else, there's always 988, which is our crisis line that people can call that need help right then to where they can refer them or talk them down from where they are because they go through like 80 hours worth of training before they can even pick up the first phone call at 988. So there's very good support there. And one, Greenville. Calls are answered here in Greenville so they can connect with local resources.
But in that vein, how can people get in touch with you.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: So they can go to.
I have a website every four thirteen.com you can go to Five Forks Counseling Group and you'll see their office and all the people on there. I'm on that. And you can click on my website if you can go there if you want. They're a great organization. They have different therapists and counselors in.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: There for different, different needs.
[00:37:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Anything from, you know, major anxiety, depression to major trauma. I mean, just great counselors and therapists in there. So Five Forks Counseling Group. That's in Simpsonville.
[00:37:32] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: And then do you want me to put my, they can call me direct.
[00:37:38] Speaker B: I mean, I. Mr. Nick.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah. 404-277-3905. I've had that number. I can't remember when I didn't have that number. But.
[00:37:47] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: If you don't get me, you leave me a message and I will always return a call unless I forget. Unless I forget, which is rare, but it does. I have to put it in my, you know, but I usually will save that and call back. I, I really, Communication to me is very important. I mean, it's top notch for that.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: Because if, if he doesn't call you back in within a few minutes, then text him that same number and you'll hear back from him.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: I mean, you can, you can call and ask questions. I don't mind helping people just if they need to.
Parents and spouses don't know where to go.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:38:33] Speaker A: They don't know what to do. You know, if, I mean, it could be anything from their son or daughter or their husband or wife may need treatment. Like they're, you know, they know they need treatment.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: Right.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: They'll call four treatment centers and be more confused on where to send them. Oh, because they just don't know. It's not their fault. They just don't know.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: Well, it's the same thing when you're looking to put an elderly parent into a nursing home or assisted living. There's so many different things that are different about each one of them and you get more and more confused. So I can imagine with treatment is the same way. So you can help guide them through that process of where their loved one may need to go.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: Yes. The parent relationship is different than the spouse.
[00:39:31] Speaker B: Right.
[00:39:31] Speaker A: I mean, that's, it gets a little tricky sometimes with the parents, especially if it's the first go round.
That's why I like working with families. Eventually we'll get into the, I'm going to get into these high schools and work with families in A group.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: But part of that is setting, if it's the first time for a parent is setting that expectation of what the process is, how it's going to work and what they need to do to get themselves ready to send their child off.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: Yes.
Yep.
It's crazy out there right now. You know that.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: Yeah, unfortunately, it is.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: And just say something is great because you're get. You know, we're getting in them on the board. So I'll say we. So it's. You were getting out there to try to prevent.
[00:40:26] Speaker B: Right. Proactive.
[00:40:28] Speaker A: Proactive.
So you, you know, and there's a couple places out there like that. But this is really.
I think when we first met, we met in Colombia. We talk about this a lot. We were sitting next to each other at this meeting. But.
And that was very interesting when you. We were talking about what you do.
[00:40:49] Speaker B: And so it's taken me a while to get you on board, but here you are.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: You got me.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: I do, I do. And your wife, Audrey, is amazing. I can't wait to.
Yeah, I got her, too.
[00:41:03] Speaker A: She just doesn't know it yet. Right.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: That's right. So, Nick, bringing this to a close.
What.
What's the one thing that maybe you haven't said that you would want someone listening to this to? When this ends, they'll be like, oh, or I need to get in touch with him.
[00:41:35] Speaker A: Or get. Or just call somebody.
[00:41:39] Speaker B: Yeah, or just call someone.
[00:41:42] Speaker A: If it's a parent or spouse, don't keep letting.
Don't think it's going to go away.
If it's been going on a while.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: And chances are, if it's causing problems, it's been going on and on.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: Yes. And talk. Talk to the. Talk to your son or daughter. Talk to your wife or husband.
Try to talk to them in a.
You don't have to be easy peasy, but you want to talk to them in a manner of, you know, concern.
We could. We could really go into a lot of things. We really could. I know we don't have a lot of time.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: We'll make that another.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: Okay, I'd like to do that. I'd like in sometime and talk about, like, the drugs itself and then.
And everything that involves. With that and what, you know, some of the things you can, you know. But. But talk to your spouse. Talk to your. Your. And talk to them in a way of, you know, genuine concern.
Not the first time you get them.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: Just.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: I mean, I know that it's easy for someone to be, you know, upset.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: Because they're hiding and berating and fussing and yelling is not going to accomplish anything because they're going to shut down and then you're going to shut down. And so I think it's incumbent upon the adult in that conversation to stay calm.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: To stay calm, gather information, talk. Now you might not get to where you want to be in the beginning, and that's a whole nother.
It may take. And, and then it gets to the point where there's ways to go about it to get them the help they need, depending on where they're at in their addiction and things like that. That's a whole nother. It's, it's.
There's so much involved in this. Yeah, it's. There is, there's so much involved with it. And you know, the parents and, and.
Can I, can I bring one up? Can I bring. Real quick? We have time.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Right now I'm working with somebody on my own. It's a, it's actually a friend my wife and I went to school with. Oh, back, Way back. Way back.
Elementary.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: Oh, wow. That is way back.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: It is A few years ago.
Her son is in a very, very bad way and it's been going on for a long time now. She's divorced.
He's 40ish.
And it's, it's really sad right now. And she's struggling because the, the codependency is just top, like level 9.5 out of 10 and, and this. And then he is just. I mean, it is, he's already here. Like there's very little time.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:45:10] Speaker A: And it's really hard to get through her. And I'm giving her reality. Like I'm talking to her straight up in a good way.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: Right.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: And as a friend, lifelong friend. But she struggles so much with, I mean, it's. You would, you would think. And I'm not, I mean, it's. This is common.
I mean, you would think that he's like 15.
And I'm not trying to be like, you know, talk bad or. I mean, it's just sad to watch.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Right, right. And so a couple of the examples you use today is they're in their 40s and chances are they started when they were in their teens or sooner.
And so I think that's where people don't realize it, but prevention can work.
You have to embrace it.
And your return on investment for prevention is a lot more.
It's a tons greater. I know that's not a financial term, but is so much more cost effective than treatment.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: In the recovery piece, a good thing about Just say something is. You have different programs, right? To. For preventing. It's. It's. So what is preventative? I mean, we could go into that, but I know we're not going to. But it's like you have sports programs, right. You have family programs, you have groups meetings.
All these things that you guys, you know that, that just say something. Does get into high schools, you get into. You're always doing. You're busy.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Welcome aboard.
[00:47:01] Speaker A: You're busy. Yeah, but. But it's good. And you know what? It's not going to get everybody from doing it, but it's going to get some.
And that's all that matters.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: Right? Right.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: Is that you. You are helping the community, 100% the organization. So. And it's helping families.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: Yeah. That's where, that's why we're here. To help families have some of those hard conversations. And so we have classes or sessions. We even have one on ones that parents can come and get from us for free. All of our services are free, even to the point of do.
Do you have trouble getting your child to go to bed at a consistent time?
We have people that can help you with that one on one and give you some tools and strategies. We're not counselors. We're not therapists. We teach skills and we teach proven skills. We know what we do works. If you're willing and open to learning and putting that into practice.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. That's good.
[00:48:16] Speaker A: And it's nonprofit, right?
[00:48:20] Speaker B: Nonprofit community based organization. We're not part of a system. We're not part of the government. We are here for everyday parents.
And you don't always have to come to us. If you're in a school, if you're in a business and you have six or seven parents who are interested in a class, guess what? We'll come to you. Doesn't matter whether it's in English or Spanish. We'll come to you. You don't always have to come to us. So we will come where you are.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: All the services are free.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: That's why. That's why. That's why we need donations.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: That's right. That's right. And our golf tournament.
[00:49:00] Speaker A: We got the golf tournament coming up.
[00:49:03] Speaker B: I think we could continue this for quite a while. Let's talk our editor in chief over there.
[00:49:11] Speaker A: I've been ramped. I ramble. I do.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: Oh, no, it's been great. It's been great. And I appreciate you spending time with us but also sharing some of you with our community. That's one of the reasons I wanted you on the board.
You have the heart and the passion and to help make a difference in the community, so. Well, I will definitely have you back for another broadcast, and I'm sure more than one.
[00:49:39] Speaker A: I'd love to come back. I really would. I think it's. I mean, I would love to talk more about just, you know, substances and it's just that by itself.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:49:52] Speaker A: And just whatever you want to talk.
[00:49:53] Speaker B: About, because I think the general parent out there doesn't know what they don't know, and I think you are a good conduit to helping them to learn some of that. So we'll definitely bring you back.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: And there's a lot of people that. That are. That do what I do that are. That are doing. It's very good work.
[00:50:16] Speaker B: Right. Right.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: Very good work in all that's, like I said, in all mental health.
All mental health. So I try to partner up with as many people as I can in the industry. That's really what it's about. It's not about me.
It's not about just you, because I know you partner with a lot of people and we all have to work together. So it's crazy out there right now, the culture and everything else. So.
But I'll stop. I think. I think we're getting.
[00:50:48] Speaker B: All right, well, Nick Nashay, I'll stick with that. Thank you again for being with us today. Recovery 484 13. I'm sorry, recovery413.com is where you can find Nick and his website. Look for him to be on future broadcast of Just say Something's podcast. And until next time, remember to subscribe, like, share and comment on our podcast, and you can find them wherever you find your other favorite podcast. Until next time, this is Philip Clark, and I look forward to seeing you again soon.
